Comments on: Intractable terms – the gay marriage debate http://blog.openhatch.net/2008/11/intractible-terms-the-gay-marriage-debate/ Virulent, Petulant, Inexpugnable! Sun, 29 Jan 2012 01:02:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Alex http://blog.openhatch.net/2008/11/intractible-terms-the-gay-marriage-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-130 Alex Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:27:14 +0000 http://blog.openhatch.net/?p=266#comment-130 I think in practical terms that is demonstrated true for groups at opposition with "gay rights". Liberties are lost. Of course the gay rights movement claims they are gaining rightful liberties they were never given. And also in practical terms, in California at least, that's not true - with or without Prop. 8 in law, their legal entitlements remain the same, but *with* it in law, churches lose some rights. It's outrageous. The gay movement has lost nothing other than the notion that the whole world will agree with them (a delusional proposition to begin with), while the consequences of their proposals have demonstrably led to others losing rights. I had meant to point out something in the "No on 8" top donars list at the end of the post. The gay rights movement poses that the Public Education system is neutral ground on the issue - what they want can't and doesn't relate to it (while simply dismissing situations where their ideology has in fact been indoctrinated in children through PE). If that is so, why has the California Teacher's Association donated 1.3 *million* dollars to the No on 8 Campaign? I think in practical terms that is demonstrated true for groups at opposition with “gay rights”. Liberties are lost. Of course the gay rights movement claims they are gaining rightful liberties they were never given. And also in practical terms, in California at least, that’s not true – with or without Prop. 8 in law, their legal entitlements remain the same, but *with* it in law, churches lose some rights.

It’s outrageous. The gay movement has lost nothing other than the notion that the whole world will agree with them (a delusional proposition to begin with), while the consequences of their proposals have demonstrably led to others losing rights.

I had meant to point out something in the “No on 8″ top donars list at the end of the post. The gay rights movement poses that the Public Education system is neutral ground on the issue – what they want can’t and doesn’t relate to it (while simply dismissing situations where their ideology has in fact been indoctrinated in children through PE). If that is so, why has the California Teacher’s Association donated 1.3 *million* dollars to the No on 8 Campaign?

]]> By: American Yak http://blog.openhatch.net/2008/11/intractible-terms-the-gay-marriage-debate/comment-page-1/#comment-129 American Yak Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:35:41 +0000 http://blog.openhatch.net/?p=266#comment-129 I have been contending that this debate boils down to a question over religious liberty, no matter how one frames it, and that great heritage in our country is at stake. Separate church and hate? The real meme is get religion out of my face and acknowledge my homosexuality on all accounts. I have been contending that this debate boils down to a question over religious liberty, no matter how one frames it, and that great heritage in our country is at stake.

Separate church and hate?

The real meme is get religion out of my face and acknowledge my homosexuality on all accounts.

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